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“A man of the name of Leahey died [townsland of Moyny, (Maoiní Láir)] in the parish of Dromdaleague (Co. Cork) about a fortnight ago; his wife and two children remained in the house until the putrescent exhalations from the body drove them from their companionship with the dead; in a day or two after, some persons in passing the man’s cabin, had their attention attracted by a loud snarling, and on entering, found the gnawed and mangled skeleton of Leahey contended for by hungry dogs.”
Source: Cork Southern Reporter, of Jan. 26th 1847.

“I started for Ballydehob, (Coastal Village Co. Cork) and learned upon the road that we should come to a hut or cabin in the parish of Aghadown, (Murrahin South, Co. Cork) on the property of Mr Long, where four people had lain dead for six days; and, upon arriving at the hut, the abode of Tim Harrington, we found this to be true; for there lay the four bodies and a fifth was passing to the same bourne. On hearing our voices, the sinking man made an effort to reach the door, and ask for drink or fire; he fell in the doorway; there, in all probability to die; as the living cannot be prevailed to assist in the interments, for fear of taking the fever.”
Source: Illustrated London News – Saturday February 13th 1847.

“Deaths here are daily increasing. Dr. Donovan and I are, just this moment, after returning from the village of South Reen, (Co. Cork) where we had to bury a body ourselves that was eleven days dead; and where do you think? In a kitchen garden. We had to dig the ground, or rather the hole, ourselves; no one would come near us, the smell was so intolerable. We are half-dead from the work lately imposed on us.”
Source: Illustrated London News – Saturday February 13th 1847.

One hundred and forty have died in the Skibbereen Workhouse in one month; eight have died in one day! And Mr McCarthy Downing states that “They came into the house merely and solely for the purpose of getting a coffin.”
Source: The Illustrated London News January 16th 1847.

My Question Was: “Will the planned Thurles inner relief road impinge, in a negative way, on the 1846 Thurles “Double Ditch”, which has been a right of way and a Mass Path for almost 175 years and which is the property of the people of Thurles and a National Monument?”

The map shown above; Cllr. Mr Michaél Lowry (Lowry Team) informed me verbally that the above map was only “drawn up to purchase land”

I am now asking the people of Thurles to look carefully at the map shown above, latter supplied by Tipperary County Council themselves. Find the word “Start” (Pink colour on map above) and travel in a straight direct line to the word “Finish”.
Is there something I am missing or are the 3 straight lines representing the “Double Ditch” shown on THEIR map, being dissected by the proposed inner relief road?

Then ask why Co. Council Officials and some County Councillors, elected by you the public, are choosing to NOT reply to questions over an almost eight week period.

Here in the town of Thurles, Co. Tipperary, the situation during the Great Famine 1845 – 1849 was totally different to the source extracts posted above, thanks mainly to the Thurles Relief Committee made up of responsible business people and Clergy of both denominations; all working closely together to defeat a 19th century pandemic of a somewhat different nature than the one being experienced today.

No memorial walls have been built to honour the famine committee, and no streets in Thurles town has been named after any one of them, but here we dare to name men of great integrity and compassion, hereunder:-

Thurles Famine Food Committee 1845 – 1847

Nicholas V. Maher MP, [Member of Parliament and Justice of the Peace, (Chairman)];
Revd. Wm. Barron (P. P., Thurles);
Revd. Dr Henry Cotton, [C. of I. Rector, Thurles (Vice Chairman)];
Francis O’Brien Esq. (Justice of the Peace);
Revd. Wm. Baker (C. of I. Curate);
Revd. Martin Laffan (C.C. Thurles);
Revd. D. K. Lanigan (C.C. Thurles);
Revd. Thomas O’Connor (President St. Patricks College Thurles);
Robert C. Knaggs Esq. [Medical Doctor (Secretary)];
Revd. Patrick Leahy, (Professor, St. Patricks College Thurles);
Joshua Lester Esq;
John Gore Jones R. M. (Magistrate);
John Brachan Esq.;
Alfred Gahan Esq. (Civil Engineer),
James B Kennedy, (Thurles Board of Guardians Secretary).

Archdeacon Revd. Dr. Henry Cotton, on behalf of the above named Thurles committee sent a final report from Thurles to the then British Authorities in Dublin, following the closure of the committee in 1847, by the British authorities.

In a part of that final report, he writes:-
“The committee constituted by the Lieutenant of the County, in March last (1846) pursuant to the directions of the Act 10 Vic. Chap 7 commenced its labours immediately and continued them with a steady perseverance of men who were conscious of the magnitude of the task imposed on them. The greatest harmony prevailed among the members. The same spirit animated both Protestant and Roman Catholic, all appeared to remember that poverty and misery know no distinction of sect and that it was the duty of all to unite in alleviating that calamity which providence had thought fit to send upon our land.
Nor can we admit that the amount of relief (though great) was adequate to the overwhelming mass of destruction which covered the land. But at all events we have the happiness of feeling assured that innumerable lives were saved by the prompt and benevolent exertion made; and although many of our poor have fallen under the complicated privations of the last twelve months, we of this district have mercifully been spared those heart rending scenes of death from actual starvation which are said to have occurred in other parts of the country.”

Suffice is to state, the above named committee instigated and funded the building of the “Double Ditch“, granting wages of 8 old pence per day to men and boys, who were then able to put bread into the mouths of their starving Thurles families.

This is the same “Double Ditch” that I believe Tipperary County Council, are anxious to demolish, using taxpayers money.

This evening I received a long overdue email reply from the email address of Ms Janice Gardiner (Tipperary Co. Council); the contents of which have now confirmed my worst fears.
But pecularly, while it was sent by Ms Gardiner, it is signed by one, Mr. Eamon Lonergan, latter Acting District Manager, Thurles, Municipal District. (Perhaps a paste and copy error, but nevertheless confusing.)
In the interests of “transparency, integrity, conduct and concern for the public interest,” the details of Ms Gardiner’s email of this evening will be published and dealt with publicly over the coming days.

“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
Extract from “Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire” by author J.K. Rowling, OBE, FRSL.

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Update On Answers To Questions From Elected Thurles Representatives.

Hereunder, the Site Notice displayed on the old Erin Foods site, signed by Mr Matt Shortt, former Town Manager, Thurles Town Council, on the 6th of January, 2014 last.

Hereunder, the Tipperary County Council map, which appears to indicate either an encroachment or the absolute partial destruction of a National Monument known as the ‘Double Ditch’; same a public right-of-way and a ‘Mass Path’, continuously used by Thurles dwellers for the last 175 years.

Cllr. Mr Michaél Lowry.
Firsts to phone me, yesterday, regarding the above, (at approximately 5:05pm) was Cllr. Mr Michaél Lowry. Mr Lowry, (Lowry Team Member), was informed, by me, that in the interests of public transparency that he should answer the questions in writing as already requested. His reply contained a four lettered profanity contained in the sentence “Who the f..k do you think you are?” One is reminded of the Shakespearian quote from the Richard II play, “I live with bread like you, feel want, taste grief, need friends.” Our conversation lasted all of 55 seconds.

However it was interesting to note that Cllr. Mr Michaél Lowry was live on radio this morning, telling Co. Tipperary all about Question 3 the New Thurles Recycling Centre.

Cllr. Mr Shane Lee.

I received today (1.36pm- 11th Sept. 2020) an email from Cllr. Mr Shane Lee, (yet another Lowry Team Member), some seven weeks and one email reminder later.

His email stated:-
“Hi George,
In response to your query i have forwarded it to the district manager who will revert back to you directly.

Kindest regards
Independent Councillor
Shane Lee

Yet another Tipperary Councillor unable to find answers to simple questions.

Cllr. Mr Jim Ryan

Yesterday, we also received an email; (seven weeks and one email reminder later), from Independent Cllr. Mr Jim Ryan, (10th Sept.2020, 6:19pm). Cllr. Ryan resides 400.05 metres (437.5 yards) from the “Double Ditch”, so it was somewhat of a disappointment that it took such a long time for him to respond.

His email read:-
Dear Mr Willoughby
My apologies for the delay in replying to your email. Regarding your questions emailed to me, I can confirm that I have been in touch with Tipperary County Council seeking clarification on the 3 issues raised. I have been told today that the matter is now in the hands of the Thurles / Templemore District Manager, Mr Eamon Lonergan who will be formally writing to you with a detailed response. I hope this is is satisfactory.

Yours,

Cllr Jim Ryan

While we thank Cllr. Ryan for his stated apology, he refused to answer any of the 3 questions asked.

And so the saga continues and we await further written responses and updates, for our readers on these developments.

Of the three questions asked seven weeks ago, actually only one question now requires an answer.

Question 1:-
“Will the planned Thurles inner relief road impinge, in a negative way, on the 1846 Thurles “Double Ditch”, which has been a right of way and a Mass Path for almost 175 years and which is the property of the people of Thurles and a National Monument?”

God help us, it is like trying to draw hen’s teeth.
Is it any wonder, based on the current political scene here in Co. Tipperary, that we now have here in Ireland; Serial Litigants; those seeking Direct Democracy; Yellow Vests Movements; National Citizens Movements etc. all spreading false prophesy and their populist idiotic theories.

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History Repeats Itself In Covid-19 Virus Pandemic

The 1918 influenza pandemic (or Spanish Flu as it is more often referred) was without doubt the deadliest pandemic of the 20th century. It was caused by an H1N1 virus probably arriving from North American domestic and wild birds, and not from the mixing of human and swine viruses, although it should be noted there is no universal definite consensus, regarding where the virus actually originated.

It has been estimated that some 500 million people or one-third of the world’s then population became infected, resulting in an estimated death toll of at least 50 million persons worldwide, with about 675,000 deaths occurring in the United States alone.

Here in Thurles between 1918 and 1919 daily funerals were a regular spectacle travelling up Church Lane, east of the town, with as many as 9 interments per day recorded.

Kavanagh Place once site of Casey’s Coal Yard, and where, previous to that, coffins were manufactured.

Sometimes coffins belonging to the poor would be left inside the graveyard gate for labourers; the frontline workers of back then, who undertook to bury same, returning, as they did after their days work had finished between the hours of 6:00pm and 7:30pm.

Coffins were being made on the site of what was later to became known as Casey’s Coal yard, situated on Kavanagh Place on the south side of Thurles town.

Back then, there were no vaccines to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary associated bacterial infections. Control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions. Yes you have guessed it; just like our endeavours in protecting ourselves against Covid-19 virus today; back then isolation, quarantine, the practise of good personal hygiene, the use of disinfectant and limit public gatherings was encouraged.

Tonight, according to the Centre for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU) there are almost 28 million cases of Covid-19 virus confirmed around the world with reported deaths of almost 906 thousand people, due solely to this current pandemic.

During the influenza pandemic of 1918, people called face coverings “Chin Sails“; “Flu Fences” and “Cheesecloth Muzzles“.

The priests leading the funeral processions up Church Lane in Thurles are recorded as wearing white linen across their tall top hats. After the burials it was supposedly the then custom for to give this linen to an under privileged person attending, supposedly to make a small item of clothing for a child.

While I can find no real evidence to support this belief, I have often wondered was this small piece of cloth destined to become a ‘Chin Sail‘ or a ‘Flu Fence‘?

Cigarette, Cigar and Pipe smokers cut flaps or little doors in their cloth face coverings. Tobacco-chewing individuals were kept busy straining on their masks, pulling them up and down to spit. The cinemas and theatres in the larger cities gave masks away free with tickets, others in the business charged for the masks.

On November 1st, 1918, Mr Eugene C. Caley, in Oakland, California is believed to have been the first man to be arrested for not wearing a mask. He was later released on bail.

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Update – Failure By Elected Thurles Councillors To Reply To Queries

Non Productive Tipperary TD’s & Councillors Commanding Large Salaries For No Work

In keeping with our decision stated yesterday, September 7th 2020; we have forwarded an email to Mr Ger Walsh (Ethics Registrar /Senior Executive Officer, Corporate Service, Tipperary Co. Council.) as advised by the Standards In Public Office Commission (SIPO).
The email contained details of the refusal by Co. Councillors and officials within the Templemore / Thurles Municipal District to answer pertinent questions.

This refusal demonstrates a pattern of attitudes and behaviour from those concerned, that leaves the local electorate feeling that they are worthless or wanting of any real consideration. Such behaviour from those responsible can no longer be tolerated.

Note: The video shown above was first uploaded on October 28th 2019. Since that date this area has suffered further deterioration becoming progressively worse in its neglect. This is despite being visited by Ms Roisin O’Grady (Tipperary Heritage Officer & Creative Ireland Coordinator) in November 2019.

In the interests of full transparency, the full content of my communication with Mr Walsh is published hereunder for our readers to peruse.

To: Mr Ger Walsh: (Senior Executive Officer, Corporate Service, Tipperary Co. Council).

Sir,
Perhaps the link shown herewith, will explain some of the issues and failures which I have experienced over a number of weeks and months with Local Elected Councillors.
http://www.thurles.info/2020/09/07/non-productive-tds-councillors-commanding-large-salaries-for-no-work/

I now respectfully request that each of the offending elected councillors, reply to my 3 questions, apologising for their failure, nay refusal, to previously do so.

You will be aware from my post, that this issue was correctly attended to and dealt with by Cllr. S. Hanafin and Cllr. S. Ryan, with whom I have no difficulty.

Code of Conduct for Councillors ( https://www.tipperarycoco.ie/sites/default/files/Publications/Code%20of%20Conduct%20for%20Councillors.pdf )

In the interests of fairness, truth and full transparency, all replies received in writing or by email will be published on Thurles.Info
[Note: Both my home address and my email address were included in the communication.]

I understand that the failure by Teachtaí Dála (TD’s) is a matter for the Houses of the Oireachtas (Committee on Members Interests not yet set up)

I thank you, in anticipation, for your attention to this matter.
Should you have any difficulty regarding this issue; please instruct me further.

Yours faithfully,
George Willoughby
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We learned from legal counsel, sought last week, that Under the Roads Act 1993, it is the responsibility of Tipperary County Council not only to protect but also to maintain the public’s right to access Public Rights-of-Way, in each local authority area.

More on this issue to follow.

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No Plans To Move ‘Stone Man’ On Liberty Square, Thurles

Councillors, Mr Seamus Hanifin and Mr Sean Ryan (Elected Members Thurles Municipal District Council) have both moved quickly to confirmed that the 1798 Memorial statue, better known locally as the ‘Stone Man’, will not be moved or indeed removed from its current position overlooking Liberty Square, in Thurles town, Co. Tipperary.

1798 Memorial erected on Liberty Square, Thurles in 1901

In an email addressing a number of key questions sent from Thurles.Info, Cllr. Mr Seamus Hanafin stated; “There are no plans to move the monument on Liberty Square, either during or after the works”

Answering this same question, Cllr. Mr Sean Ryan further confirmed this welcome news, stating; “I am informed by the council’s engineering staff that the statues in Liberty square will not be moved during the upgrade of the square”

Fears expressed to Thurles.Info some weeks ago, were based, understandably, on an early drawing of the ‘new look’ sanctioned Liberty square, (Image shown above) which appears to indicate that the statue of Archbishop Thomas William Croke, (First G.A.A. Patron) would be moved to replace the ‘Stone Man’, latter which would be then be moved elsewhere, out of its current streetscape position.

To read more on the history of the 1798 Memorial please view HERE.
To read more on the history of Archbishop Thomas William Croke, First G.A.A. Patron, please view HERE.

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