Thurles Information

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath”, – Exodus 20:4

Before you read the text hereunder, let it be known to all that I, the administrator, support individual freedom and view slavery as an abominable crime against humanity.

Readers will be aware from other sources, that four statues, which have stood at the front of ‘The Shelbourne’ hotel in Dublin, for some 153 years, have now been removed.

The statues depicting two Nubian princesses from the lower Nile and their slave girls each holding torches above their heads, were first erected outside the hotel in 1867, four years after the death of the original owner, Tipperary man Martin Burke, latter the man who first established the hotel in 1824.

We understand the statues cast in bronze and commissioned from the studio of MM Barbezat of Paris, were recently removed by hotel management due to their association with slavery, with the slave girl statues having manacles around their feet.

Nubia is a region along the Nile river encompassing the area between Aswan in southern Egypt and Khartoum in central Sudan. Interesting to note, that between the years 639 and 646 the Nubians themselves, already involved in the burgeoning East African slave trade, agreed to trade 360 slaves, annually, to their northern neighbours, in exchange for spices and grains.

Religion – Its View On Slavery.

Since Bible times, those expressing deep religious conviction have justified continued ownership of slaves by referring to the Apostle Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians, (see Chapter 6: Verse 5): “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”

In the case of females; quotes from St. Paul (Ephesians Chapter 5: Verses 22 & 23) were also used; “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife”.

Other such justification can be found at Genesis Chapter 9: Verse 20-27.

As well as removing / destroying statues connected to slavery, should we also be removing text from the Bibles within all of our Christian churches.

Ireland & Early Slave Trade

From the 9th to the 12th century Viking Dublin, in particular, was a major slave trading center. In 870, Vikings, led by Olaf the White and Ivar the Boneless, besieged and captured the stronghold of Dumbarton Castle, the capital of the Kingdom of Strathclyde, in Scotland. The very next year they took most of the inhabitants to the Dublin slave markets.

When the Vikings first established themselves in Dublin they began a slave market that would come to sell slaves (thralls) captured both here in Ireland and taken from other countries including France and Spain. Irish slaves were sent as far away as Iceland, where Gaels formed some 40% of the founding population.

In 875, Irish slaves in Iceland launched Europe’s largest slave rebellion since the end of the Roman Empire, when the slaves of Hjörleifr Hróðmarsson’s killed him, before fleeing to Vestmannaeyjar on the south coast of Iceland. Indeed the name of the wet archipelago of Vestmannaeyjar is named after these Gaelic slaves who had been captured into slavery by Norsemen. The Old Norse word Vestmenn, means “West Men”, and had been applied to the Irish, and retained in Icelandic even though Iceland is situated further west than Ireland.

Not long afterwards Ingólfur Arnarson, blood brother of the now killed Hjörleifur, arrived in Iceland. The Irish slaves were quickly tracked down to Vestmannaeyjar and killed in retribution, hence the name Vestmannaeyjar meaning ‘the islands of the west men’.

Slavery became more widespread in Ireland throughout the 11th century, as Dublin became the biggest slave market in Western Europe, with its main sources of supply coming from the Irish hinterland, e.g Wales and Scotland.

From 1080, the Irish slave trade began to decline, after William the Conqueror took control of the English and Welsh coasts, banning slavery in its territory in 1102.

The Shelbourne Hotel – The Tipperary Connection

The Shelbourne Hotel on the north side of St. Stephen’s Green in Dublin was first established in 1824 by a Tipperary man, aged in his 40’s, named Martin Burke.

Almost nothing is known about Martin Burke’s early history; we do know however that he was a Tipperary man, born about 1788, a practising Catholic by birth and his death was reported in a Clonmel newspaper, (Tipperary Free Press) on Tuesday January 20th 1863, [The same day that Union General Ambrose Burnside’s Army of the Potomac began his offensive against General Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, known as the ‘Mud March’ in the American Civil war, and which led to the emancipation of four million slaves]

A mystery remains as to where Martin Burke got his start-up money for what was then an enormous transaction and where or even when he acquired the necessary training to be a hotel manager. He may have had connections with the Honourable East India Company, trading into the East Indies and certainly sold private land prior to his new venture.

Martin’s ambition was to open a hotel in Dublin that would, as he stated “Woo genteel custom who wanted solid, comfortable and serviceable accommodation at a fashionable address.”

Burke to achieve his ambition, leased three houses situated side by side; No.27, No.28 and No.29 St. Stephen’s Green, Dublin. The buildings, then situated in one of the most fashionable parts of Dublin were taken over, “in consideration of a down payment of £1,000 and the promise of a further £2,000 at a later date and a yearly rent of £300,” with Burke and his future heirs being granted the leasehold interest for 150 years.

Martin Burke now sets about turning these three buildings into the quality licensed accommodation holder and hostelry that has been his long awaited dream.

His shrewd marketing ability soon came to the fore in the chosen name attributed to his new venture. Instead of calling it Bourke’s Hotel, he named his new enterprise after William Petty, 1st Marquess, 2nd Earl of Shelburne, Prime Minister of Great Britain (1782 – 83) and who had succeeded in securing peace with America during the final months of the American War of Independence. But Burke shrewly took the liberty of adding an ‘o’ into the name’s spelling, thus instantly linking the hotel with the fame and standards of the late Lord Shelburne, while also attracting the immediate attention of the then ruling ascendancy classes.

Within a year of its opening ‘The Shelbourne Hotel’ was the first hotel to install a gas lighting system lately arrived in Dublin, [The first piped-gas lamp appeared in Dublin in 1825]. The Shelbourne Hotel was now firmly established as a favourite of visitors “doing the season,” and stood proudly at the centre of Irish upper class society.

Historically, “The Season” ran from April to August; latter which marks the beginning of the shooting season. Here, upper class Society would retire to the country to shoot fowl during the autumn and go hunting foxes during the winter, before coming back to the city again with the onset of spring, to hold débutante balls, dinner parties, large charity events and take part in political activity.

It is estimated today that nearly 40 million people worldwide, still live in slavery, a small percentage of which reside in our Ireland of today.

Can any of our readers shed further light on those named hereunder or indeed are you in anyway related to this Ryan family who emigrated from Mitchel Street, Thurles, Co. Tipperary?
We would love to hear from you, as indeed would living family relatives who are currently actively tracing their Irish roots.

Michael Ryan was born probably on Saturday November 22nd or Sunday November 23rd, 1834 to parents Cornelius (Con) Ryan (1803-1868) and his wife Margaret (nee Riordan) Ryan (1810-1888), here in Thurles, Co. Tipperary.

From our records we find that Cornelius ‘Con’ Ryan resided in a single story, thatched, terraced house at No. 62, latter positioned on the south side of Quarry Street, in Thurles (today Quarry Street in Thurles is named Mitchel Street). This terrace of houses was completely demolished, possibly about 1909, and replaced then by more modern two-story terraced structures and named ‘Lisheen Terrace’. The Irish word ‘Lisheen’ translated into English means ‘Small Ring Fort’. A ring fort can be found north east of Mitchel Street (Quarry Street), overlooking Lisheen Terrace.

[Interestingly also born on Quarry Street was Paddy Ryan, (‘The Trojan Giant’) and Heavyweight Bare-Knuckle Boxing Champion of the USA (May 30th 1880). Latter was born on Friday March 14th 1851, further east, also on the south side of Quarry Street, at No. 78.]

Michael was baptised in the parish of Thurles on Wednesday 26th November 1834, with his sponsors in attendance named as Richard Brett and Mary Barry.

Note: It was generally accepted in those days that all baptisms should take place within 3 days of the date of birth, with the birth mother not necessarily in attendance at the baptism.

Michael Ryan and a friend (possibly a cousin) John Cahill, were both sponsored immigrants to the south-eastern Australian state of New South Wales; sponsored by James Cahill, latter who was already residing in New South Wales, living in the town of either Yass, (latter name derived from an Aboriginal word, “Yarrh”, said to mean “running water”) or possibly the valley farming region of Burrowa village (latter name again derives from the local Aboriginal language and referring to a native bird, the Australian Bustard, a large ground dwelling bird).

Michael was given a reference by Thomas Bourke, then Post Master in Thurles and his address was given as Quarry Street, (today named Mitchel Street, after Londonderry born Irish nationalist activist, author, and political journalist John Mitchel), in Thurles, Co. Tipperary, where he lived with his parents the aforementioned Cornelius (Con) Ryan, (Occupation shoemaker) and Margaret Ryan (nee Riordan).

Michael Ryan and John Cahill made their way to Liverpool, where they boarded the “Hannah Moore”, arriving in Sydney on Sunday 6th May 1860.

In February 1863 Michael Ryan married Honorah ‘Norah’ Mahony at Yass, New South Wales; Norah having emigrated from Banteer, Co. Cork. Michael and Norah then moved to Burrowa, where Michael, like his father, conducted a boot making business.

In September 1862, Michael, himself, sponsored the emigration to New South Wales of his sister Mary Ryan (aged 20 years, born 1842); her occupation “a house servant” from Thurles, Co. Tipperary “who can read” (Same ability rare enough in those times). Mary arrived the following year in September 1863, aboard the passenger/cargo ship “Peerless”.

In 1864 Michael also sponsored the emigration of his brother Edmund Ryan, a labourer from Thurles, who arrives aboard “General Caulfield” in October 1865.

Michael and Norah would go on to parent ten children: Margaret, Cornelius, James, Thomas, Mary Ann, Ellen, Honorah (1st), Edward, Honora (2nd) and Michael. [Note: Often if an Irish child died within a family, as possibly in this case this female, the next female child born would assume the same name, e.g. Honorah (1st) / Honora (2nd)].

Michael died after an “operation for dropsy” (latter an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the body, recognized as a sign of underlying disease of the heart, liver, or kidneys), aged 48 years at Burrowa, New South Wales, Australia in February 1882.

“We are not makers of history. We are made by history”.

[Above quote by Martin Luther King, Jr. American Christian minister and activist, who became the most visible spokesperson and leader of the Civil Rights Movement from 1955 until his assassination in 1968.

The Sad Case of Mary Ellen Morris, Thurles, Co. Tipperary.

Born May 11th, 1877; Mary Ellen Morris was aged in her 10th year, when she was admitted to the Thurles Workhouse, on November 29th, 1887. It is recorded that on her entry, to this same establishment, that she suffered from ‘sore feet’.

So far as we are aware, no other Morris family member is on record as having being admitted to the Thurles Workhouse.

We are aware that Grandfather Morris was an engineer with the mines in the Slieveardagh hills, at Earlshill, Thurles.

[We are also aware that here on October 20th, 1845, a person named as Martin Morris, an underground steward, was shot, presumably by contractors annoyed at the introduction of direct labour by the Mining Company of Ireland. Was he a relative?]

Grandfather Forde was a National School teacher, at Glengoole, Thurles.

Mary Ellen’s father, William Bourke Morris died of Tuberculosis (TB) on May 23rd 1887, aged just 38 years old. William was formerly a colliery manager with the Irish Mining Co. situated at Earlshill, Thurles, Co. Tipperary. Later, when he moved his family from Earlshill to Thurles town, in or about the year 1883; William worked for a time as an auctioneer, until his health worsened and he died.

Mary Ellen’s mother, Ellen Forde-Morris, now a widow, found herself with six dependent children under her care. A seventh child, a toddler, had sadly died six months previous to her husband’s death.

A decision was now made, possibly with the help of her father-in-law, Wm Morris, to emigrate to America, where she had two sisters living with their families in Providence, latter the capital city of the U.S. State of Rhode Island. Ellen planned to take her two eldest children with her; her sons William Joseph and Patrick Timothy.

Her three daughters, Barbara (8 years), Anna (6 years) and Florence (4 years) were sent to live with grandfather Morris and an aunt living in Tuam, in Co. Galway, where the latter managed a hotel.

Ellen’s father Timothy Forde had passed away in 1865 and her mother Mary Commons/Cummins-Forde in 1886.

This left only the aforementioned daughter Mary Ellen, aged 10, who was frail and possibly, either couldn’t make the journey to America for health reasons or pecuniary reasons or indeed because her grandfather and aunt already had accepted 3 other charges to their care.

For whatever reason, most likely due to Mary Ellen’s health condition, she was admitted to the Thurles Workhouse. Mary Ellen’s mother was overwhelmed, but she had no choice but to hope the infirmary and school at the Thurles Workhouse would take good care of her daughter.

On October 25th, 1893, Mary Ellen Morris, now frail, small, and aged 16, died (although report state she was only 14). On that day she was at school in the Thurles Workhouse and suffered a ‘seizure’ or heart failure, falling to the floor as she was reading her catechism.

Due to the nature of her death, an inquiry was commissioned and a report rendered. In this inquiry, it was stated that an inmate by the name of Mrs. Commons was in charge at the time of Mary Ellen’s death, as the teacher was outside of the room.
Mary Ellen’s mother, Ellen Forde-Morris passed away a year later in Providence, Rhode Island. She was aged just 44 years old and the doctor listed her cause of death, also, as heart failure.

Mary Ellen’s mother’s mother (her grandmother) was Mary Commons/Cummins-Forde, school teacher in New Birmingham/Glengoole and had passed away in 1886, in Graine, Co. Kilkenny.

Can any of our readers shed further light on those named above or indeed are you in anyway related to either of these families?
We would love to hear from you, as indeed would family relatives currently today, actively tracing their Irish roots.